Posts by White Dove

I agree with snakes. Womyn don't see all of that stuff, so maybe men get a head start on the intellectual reasons for leaving. Womyn are left in the dark to the facts that would help them leave sooner. What I said was right, too, though. Womyn are an analyzing and careful bunch.

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Are more men or women pulling up their tent pins?

by TooBad TooSad in

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is is just me or am i wrong?

it appears that there are more men than women who are.

realizing the truth about "the truth" and are leaving the organization either by "the fade".

White Dove

Womyn tend to take a lot more time analyzing all the possible contengencies and consequences and rehash them over and over and over again before making such a serious move. Men are more rational in that they see that something is crap and and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that crap is to be avoided. Not exactly snap decisions, just not so 3rd degreeing the reasons.

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For your viewing pleasure

by watson in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lptz4tbc1po

White Dove

jgnat,

You are absolutely right! I remember talking to fellow JW's (when I was in) about how if I didn't have the paradise to look forward to I'd just kill myself. Life had no meaning without Jah and JS in it and the hope. It was all I ever knew as I didn't come out of "false religion." I was born into it.

They really are salesmen in that they created a need or discovered one where they feed off of people's desire to not die or stay dead.

I remember thinking how heartbreaking it would be to discover that all of this is a lie.

Then, I began seeing why people were so unreceptive to the message: it challenged their own hopes and dreams (did not know at the time of the intellectual reasons, only the emotional ones for rejecting the msg).

It just kinda snowballed from there.

I began thinking how unloving it really was to trash others' beliefs because if I felt as strongly about mine, why couldn't others feel just as strongly about theirs.

I decided that I didn't want to go out into the field and break hearts, possible driving others to suicide (again, I knew nothing of the intellectual reasons for rejecting the msg, only the emotional ones, so I didn't realize that I probably would not drive others to suicide).

I wanted to help them not hurt them.

I realized how tramatic it could be to find out that the very thing in which you put your reason for getting up the morning is bogus.

Then the intellectual exploration came and I realized that we were all being pompous asses and that I wasted my whole life (37years) on this stupid religious cult.

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I'm a Neutral Jehovah's Witness

by Martini in

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dear brothers and sisters,.

i martini, will confide in you that i have become a neutral jehovah's witness.

i wonder if i'm not coining a new phrase here!.

White Dove

Oxymoron?

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Baptism Is Pagan!

by Sarah Smiles in

do you remember the person who baptized you?

did they have holy spirit?

or did you just line up at an assembly?

White Dove

No offense meant at all, just my opinion, but I really think that all of that rolling around on the ground was the result of mind tricks, the power of suggestion. It is very strong. Some people allow themselves to be influenced by suggestion easier than others without meaning to. Altered states of consciousness come about by simply tricking our minds. I really don't believe there are other world influences outside of our own powerful minds. Just my opinion I do believe in the possibility of ghosts, however. Did I just discredit myself?

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Anyone from Portland/Vancouver area?

by White Dove in

i'm looking for former friends who have since left the org.

i understand if some need to keep underground.

i do to.

White Dove

I'm looking for former friends who have since left the org. I understand if some need to keep underground. I do to.

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JWs Have a NEW TACTIC (at least to me)

by Gretchen956 in

i have a new job now and take mass transit, the max train into town and then a short bus trip to work.

in between i have about 3 to 6 blocks to traverse, depending on what time it is and which bus i'm catching.

today i'm walking the last bit to my stop and watching the street for signs of the bus, and two women come walking up, at a good clip, and i can tell they are handing something out.

White Dove

My friend and I used to walk around Pioneer Square in Portland handing out magazines, eating hotdogs, and drinking Starbucks. We did approach people. BTW, just try getting from Vancouver to Portland using walk--Ctran--walk--TriMet--Max--walk and making good time to PCC. I couldn't get enough of Max! Thought the train was going to fall off the tracks sometimes going on the bridge over the Willamette. Loved it!!! Can you tell I miss Portland?

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Were The Elderly & Infirm Truly Given Assistance In Your Hall?

by minimus in

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our congregation had a number of elderly ones who regularly complained that no one ever helped them.

since the elders didn't really want to be responsible for them, they decreed that the family should help out first.

fair enough.

White Dove

They were usually left sitting in the back of the hall after meetings waiting for someone to go up to them and say hi at least. They looked so lonely, so I tended to go up to them and visit a bit. Not very many at all bothered to greet them before or after the meetings.